The following were recieved and replied to prior to January 2001. Usually, visitors' words are in "quotes".

Warning: Some of the words in the following messages may be offensive to those who find certain combinations of letters offensive. You have been warned!

From Justin,

Thanks for taking the time to share your views on voluntary human extinction, and for giving me the opportunity to clarify some finer points about The Movement. I think we agree on some basic concepts, we just go in differing directions.

"Listen pal, you need some serious help. I just got finished reading your web page, and man, that's some evil shit. On that "Would you push this button?" part, I said, "No. I wouldn't Push It." And under that, it said, "I can justify the existance of the human race despite all the evidence," or something like that, obviously sarcastically."

Yes, that's my attempt to be humorous while at the same time pointing out that, in light of the evidence, our species' existence can't be justified.

"For your information, I can justify the existance of the human race."

Perhaps so. I was hoping you would give a justification or two which I could consider. Or, do you mean the following is a reason we should continue our existence?

"You say when we're gone, 'we won't be missed.' Well, this is a bunch of bullshit, since no other animal besides us has the intelligence to miss ANYTHING.

I think we in agreement on this. After Homo sapiens is gone, there will be no other species capable of missing us. Therefore, we won't be missed.

"We're the only ones who have the capability to ENJOY this planet."

Well, this would be very hard to prove one way or the other. Enjoyment is difficult to quantify for scientific analysis. From a subjective point of view, however, it looks to me like lots of critters enjoy their lives -- like otters.

But, let's assume you're right. Even so, "capability to enjoy" doesn't necessarily mean that we actually DO enjoy this planet. If we enjoyed planet Earth, I feel certain we would not be destroying ecosystems nor be bringing about the extinction of more species than at any time since the dinosaurs died out.

I agree we have the capability to enjoy and care for life other than our own. That's a part of the foundation of the VHEMT philosophy. If humans had no ability to act out of selfless compassion, the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement wouldn't have a prayer.

"All the other living things are basically drones doing there job. They are keeping this planet functioning FOR US."

This major philosophical difference creates our divergent conclusions. Many people believe that all other life was put here for us, and often use religious texts as proof. On the other hand, I see humanity as just another species in the web of life -- true, a very special species, but the scales of justice are blind to our personal prejudices.

But, let's assume you're right. I have to wonder what took so long for us to come along and put all the other life forms to use. Life has been around hundreds of millions of years, and we're only a few million years old. What a waste. We never did get to use the dinosaurs -- oh, wait, didn't they get turned into oil and coal? I guess we could be using them.

OK, I've give you that one, too. But, if all other life is here for us to use, is it responsible of us to eliminate it? How can we use it if it's gone? If VHEMT is successful -- or if our extinction comes about naturally -- the issue of future generations' welfare will be moot, but if humanity continues to exist, how can we play God and dictate to future humans which species stays and which goes?

"Animals don't have the slightest clue that they're going to die someday, and when they do, they don't even realize it. THEY won't be missed. If all the tigers died out, the only species to actually MISS them would be us."

It seems to me that modern society as a whole doesn't miss much of what we've already destroyed. We have the capability of missing them, but if we really did, we wouldn't be eliminating them from the web of life forever.

"Someone needs to assasinate you before you go fucking nuts..."

Hey! Some of my best friends are nuts... but seriously,

"... (if you haven't allready) with this psychotic plan of yours."

I'm not in a good position to say if a plan to voluntarily stop breeding for the good of all life is psychotic or not... I'm involved, right? How would I know? All I can do is look at the situation, and be as rational and compassionate as I'm able.

It looks to me like we are speeding toward the massive die off which all species experience after their numbers increase beyond their environment's capacity to sustain them. We know full well where we are going, but instead of slowing down and turning around, we continue on our path to oblivion -- taking much of Earth's biosphere with us. Now, really, which plan is psychotic?

"Humans were put here for a reason, for a species doesn't evolve and succeed out of the clear blue."

I don't know if we were put here or evolved here, but I agree we might have a reason and a purpose. Is it possible that our evolution to a higher level would prompt us to voluntarily become extinct so that other life might live? Altruism seems to me a higher level of consciousness than selfishness. Would you agree?

"Who do you think you are dictating what species stays and what goes, huh? Fucking God or something?"

Right on! Glad we agree about the obscenely arrogant attitude humanity is taking with regard to extinctions of non-human life. Maybe we are, in a sense, "fucking God" and I'll bet She's getting damn tired of it, too.

"You & your followers either need to die a swift death, or get locked up in some mental institute,"

We will all be dead soon enough, don't rush us... or yourself. When we wish ill of our fellow beings, we are wishing ourselves ill as well. Is what I'm advocating really that much of a threat to your well being? Just inhale our industrial strength air and you'll consume more "evil shit" than I'll ever write.

This may seem nit-picking, but there are no followers in The Movement. We're all leaders -- leading the way to a better life for all.

"...you mad fucking scientist. DIE!"

Okay, but until then I intend to live, evolve, and do the best I'm able. I wish the same for you.

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That doesn't have anything to do with Satan, does it? A Volunteer was concerned about that when I forwarded your message.

[Later, another Volunteer pointed out that I really am a "mad fucking scientist." Since procreative sex is insane today, one could call it "mad fucking" and I am scientifically studying it. Les.]

From Steve,

AFTER I STUMBLED UPON YOUR WEB PAGE...

Sorry about that. I keep meaning to put up a warning sign: "Dangerous web page ahead. Don't be trippin'." I hope you're okay, 'cuz my liability insurance lapsed

I GAVE IT A CHANCE, READ YOU POSTION AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT ALL. YES YOU DO MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS, BUT WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS THAT LIKE IT OR NOT WE (HUMANS) ARE ANIMALS, AND AS SUCH WE ARE PART OF NATURE, AS OPPOSED TO AGAINST IT.

But what if we have evolved to the point of being exotic invaders? Starlings and kudzu are a part of Nature too. Maybe in some quaint, philosophic way, we are still a part of Nature too, but really, what part of our lives are involved with the natural world? Nearly all the plants and animals we come in contact with are domesticated, including each other.

I'VE GONE TIMES IN MY LIFE WHEN I'VE ASKED, LIKE MANY PEOPLE, WHAT IS THE POINT TO BEING ON EARTH, WHY ARE WE HERE, THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION IS TO KEEP THE SPECIES GOING, TO REPRODUCE.

Golly, some people fulfill their entire reason for being before they're even old enough to vote. Hmmm, since I got fixed and can't breed, does that mean I have no reason to live? Yer breakin' my heart.

YES HUMANS ARE GREEDY, VIOLENT, AND MANY OTHER NOT SO NICE QUALITIES, BUT THAT IS A RESULT OF OUR MORE ADVANCED BRAINS, THAT IS OUR ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER ANIMALS IS OUR BRAINS.

I sure hope dogs' brains don't ever get advanced like ours. Imagine if they became greedy, violent, and stuff. Not only would they chase cars, they'd drive 'em, too.

JUST LIKE THE HAWK IS ABLE TO FLY, WHICH GIVES IT AN ADVANTAGE OVER THE FIELD MOUSE IT EATS, OUR BRAIN GIVES US THE ADVANTAGE OVER ALL OTHER ANIMALS.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Those poor dumb critters just eat, excrete, and have fun. We have our careers, our powerful machines, and our art.

THE LARGER MORE ADVANCED BRAIN ALSO HAS IT'S DOWNSIDE, WHICH ARE IN PART THE ABOVE MENTIONED QUALITIES, BUT WITH EVERY GOOD THERE MUST BE A BAD....

However, good and bad are human distinctions. We can twist bad to look good, especially when another's loss is our gain. A new strip mall is good for us and bad for the wetlands it replaced: oh well, gotta have the bad with the good.

NOW I DO AGREE THAT THE PLANET TO AN EXTENT IS IN DANGER, AND I THINK THAT WE HUMANS WILL EVENTUALLY KILL OURSELVES OFF. BUT TO THINK THAT WE SHOULD VOLUNTARILY TRY TO ERADICATE THE SPECIES IS AGAINST NATURE, FOR WHAT OTHER POINT IS THERE TO BEING IN THIS PLAIN OF EXSISTENCE.

I just can't imagine our purpose being to breed and kill ourselves off like ignorant yeast in a batch of beer. THAT sounds against Nature -- maybe not against HUMAN nature, but that's why I'm promoting the hopeful option of a peaceful phase out of our species.

Yes, we have the big brains to realize that our kind is driving itself into oblivion, taking a bunch of other life with us. Now, do we continue to accelerate in that direction, assuring ourselves not to worry 'cuz we'll stop as soon as we slam into the wall? Or do we slow down, stop, and turn around instead?

From anonymous,

"Man i think you are sooo fucking mentally gone fucking shit dead brain..."

I think I see what you're getting at here. You object to my stating that the continued existence of humanity can't be justified.

It's natural for us to become angry when facing a new and threatening concept. But, really, do you think there's any reason we should continue to breed? Having sex is one thing, creating more of ourselves is something else entirely.

"...what the fuck is your problem..."

Good question. Thanks for asking. I think my problem is your problem. It's also the problem facing all life on Earth: our species is destroying the biosphere in which we live.

"...are you like brain dead you acid peace of shit..."

Sometimes I do feel like brain dead, so I understand your perspective. Perhaps it's all the toxins in our air, water, and food. Do you feel it too? Exhaust fumes cause people to go into rages without provocation. We sometimes direct anger wherever we can get away with it because the true sources of our frustrations are too powerful.

"...man you suck so bad;"

Sorry, this does not compute.

"... respond if you want to argue about your point of view"

I'm responding out of respect for your right to a reply from me, however, I don't argue.

"... btw you are fucking loco pendejo y puta madre cabron eres un pendejo"

Maybe we're all pendejos, but at the same time we're all human beings, deserving the respect all life deserves. Unfortunately, most of us don't get that respect, and as a result, we often disrespect others.

Do you think there's any justification for continuing a society which produces citizens who think it's alright to personally insult fellow family members and their mothers just because they disagree with their views?

From William,

"If your group is so intent on volutary human extinction, then may I suggest your members start by removing themselves from the planet first."

Yes, you certainly may do that. In fact, I've been working on removing myself since I was born. Each day I'm closer to being gone. It won't take that long, really. And when I'm dead and gone, there won't be another of me to continue taking habitat away from wildlife, nor to experience continued deterioration of Earth's life support systems.

My bequest to Earth's biosphere may not be huge, considering that there are 5.8 billion of us.

From Marion,

"You are right about the many reasons for Earth's unfortunate non-human species. Human overpopulation is the key to Earth's major ecological dysfunctons. Lost species, endangered species, and potential species loss are now, and will be, determined by the population of humans that exist on Earth. Yet, you're effort to 'demonize' humans for punishing and hurting the local flora and fauna are irrevelant to the ultimate problem of habitat loss."

I'll have to re-read the VHEMT web site. I certainly don't consider humanity to be evil any more than exotics like starlings are evil. If I sounded like I was demonizing our species, sorry about the misunderstanding. We have evolved into an exotic invader which is incompatible with Earth's biosphere, but it is our human qualities of rationality and compassion which are the basis for voluntary human extinction. If we were evil, there wouldn't be much hope for a voluntary phase out.

"Humans are here to stay."

I'm not so sure. We seem to engineering our demise as our numbers exceed the carrying capacity of our environment and as we eliminate more and more of our life support system.

"I believe that if an animal or plant has something of value to humans, it will eventually become endangered, or extinct. But, habitat loss is the ulimate destroyer of a species. Your painful reference to how animals are treated in captivaty are irrevelant to your initial arguement of overpopulation."

Yes, habitat loss is the main cause of extinctions, except for the many endangered species which are poached for asian pseudo-pharmaceuticals. Either way, human activities are the cause. Captivity and exploitation of domesticated animals may be irrelevant to certain other arguments, but this point seems irrelevant to the discussion as a whole. As we phase ourselves out, other domesticated animals will also be phased out

"Therefore, I believe you to be a part of the same irresponsible dogma issued by so many 'Greenpeace' type radicals of the past."

It's difficult to respond to the above statement without knowing what you imagine the irresponsible dogma issued by so many "Greenpeace" type radicals of the past to be. It's tempting, when faced with an idea we aren't familiar with, to bunch it in with something we do understand. The VHEMT philosophy is really quite simple: we voluntarily stop reproducing, the human race dies out, and what's left of Earth's biosphere has a chance to recover. If other dogma agrees, so be it.

"You offer nothing new..."

Perhaps VHEMT is nothing new. I can imagine that millions of people throughout history have realized that Homo sapiens is too great a threat to all other life and should be phased out. Even the Middle Eastern god of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism lamented that he had created man, and decided to flush the planet. He missed one family and now look. Whether VHEMT is new or old seems immaterial to its validity.

"... and you believe more in a sense of morality that will justify your existence (therefore satisfying your psyche) than the future of humanity."

Thanks for telling me what you think I believe and why, however, I think you are somewhat mistaken. True, a sense of morality permeates the concept of voluntary human extinction, but practical concerns are also important. As for justifying my existence, I don't consider that possible nor necessary. The only future of humanity I'm concerned about is between now and our extinction. We can continue on our present course to involuntary extinction, taking much of Earth's biosphere with us, or we can choose to peacefully and responsibly phase ourselves out voluntarily.

"You're desire of human elimination is noble, I sense. Do you offer to be the last human being who would ensure that our species was eliminated and would never again infringe on any other species of the planet?"

I'm far too old to be the last human on Earth.

"You are the REAL cancer!"

I'm only human, human.

"Perhaps you should choose to eliminate yourself? Could you choose to be elimintated in the name of Mother Earth?"

I already have. I'll be dead soon enough without rushing things. Since I've chosen to not breed, I'm a terminal bud on my family tree.

"......a true irony, indeed. World overpopulation is an obvious threat to humans and other organisms, but you should always remember, it is HUMANS that will suffer ultimately."

Which is one more very good reason to not sentence another of us to life.

"To believe in GAIA and the belief that how we treat animals determines our morality is somewhat rediculous. Remember, we are animals."

Don't you think that how we treat each other determines our morality? Are you saying that morality has nothing to do with our treatment of other life forms?

Regarding the Gaia hypothesis, I don't believe in believing or disbelieving -- it's unscientific. The hypothesis that Earth itself is a life form helps us to see things in a new perspective. It's not impossible.

"A definition of animal includes a sort of 'survival of the fittest'. "

One might be tempted here to state that this is the same irresponsible dogma issued by so many "Darwin" type radicals of the past. But that does nothing to clarify our points of view.

It seems to me that survival of the fittest has become a justification of irresponsibility rather than a basic premise of evolutionary theory. Bison couldn't adapt to increased lead in the air, so they deserved to go extinct. (Present bison are a different sub-species from the one which covered the prairies before our manifest destiny collided with theirs).

"Funny, I value you more than a fern in Australia."

We do have to make choices such as this. I kill slugs in my garden so that other life forms can live. Just the other day I found one sucking the life out of an earthworm. In my garden, I value worms more than slugs.

"Lastly, under your guise it would be wrong to kill ants, mice, scorpions, roaches, black widows, silverfish, mistletoe, and flue virus."

Most of the above don't need to be killed for us to survive, but this illustrates the way humans create a zone of death around our habitats. Actually, it's the extinction of species that's my main concern -- killing individual creatures which aren't threatened may or may not be wrong, depending on the circumstances.

"I have more but will capitulate. I am a follower of Paul McCartney and other believers of Eco 'realism'."

I've never heard of that. Is there a web site I can go to? Eco-realism sounds like exactly what VHEMT is all about.

"Also, I am a Life Science teacher who is always looking for new ideas...."

Cool. You're welcome to use VHEMT when you study animal populations, especially overshoot and die off: "There's even this nut group that believes..."

From JRD and/or TDD,

"Please begin the journey to human extinction by taking the first step yourself with suicide and go to hell."

Actually, the first step is to stop creating more of us, we'll all be dead soon enough -- many of us too soon. Like the 40,000 children who die on an average day from a lack of care. And people STILL won't stop making more. How do you suppose any couple could morally justify that?

I've decided to commit suicide by old age. It takes longer, and can be painful, but there's just too much work to do for me to leave now. That would be irresponsible.

When I'm successful in my suicide I don't think I'll follow your advice. Sorry. It just doesn't sound like a place I'd like to be caught dead in.

Hello Joe,

Thank you for writing and sharing your interesting views on voluntary human extinction, our chances for success, and life in general. You might be as amazed as I am by how many people don't bother to type out a few words to let me know what they think about the VHEMT concept. I appreciate your input, and also the opportunity to clarify some finer points about The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

"This VHEMT thing is just sad. I mean really."

I have to agree, it's really sad that we are so incompatible with Earth's biosphere. It could have turned out different, but it didn't.

"I have seen dumb things in my life, but this really takes the cake."

Yeah, looks dumb to me, too. It's easy to see when someone else is sawing off the limb they are standing on. The hard part is realizing when we are the ones sawing off the limb we stand on &emdash; like the human race is doing to our life support systems right now.

"Guess what, you moron. No one cares if humans eliminate 99.9 percent of the species on this planet."

That 99.9 percent of the species on this planet is the limb we are standing on. Just 'cuz no one cares won't change what happens when it goes.

"We will save the ones we want and need, keeping all of the necessary species to continue life as we know it on this planet."

This is a major reason why we Homo sapiens have an obligation to phase ourselves out. Everywhere we live, only a few "necessary" species are allowed to survive. Being human, I do it too. There are mice eating next year's lawn seed in my garage, and they won't survive much longer. Nothing personal, I just don't want mice in my house, nor rattlesnakes. I let black widows live, they keep to themselves.

So I know exactly what you mean. This is what we do with life on Earth. We've domesticated the animals and plants we can use, and are eliminating the rest, rather quickly, too. More species are going extinct now that at any time since the dinosaurs' demise.

"I sincerely hope you get to see that you misguided fool. Won't that be fun for you?"

I'm living to see it right now, and it doesn't exactly tickle my fancy.

You're probably right about my being somewhat misguided and foolish. The odds of convincing six billion people to stop breeding aren't good. But what else can I do? What would you do if you saw your neighbor standing on a limb high in a tree over your patio roof, hacking away on the part between him and the trunk? Ask him to stop? It's his tree, his limb, and none of your business unless it falls on you &emdash; which it will, but you can't prove that, he says.

"A nice human-run world?"

The world is certainly human-influenced in every aspect. However, it's beginning to look like it's the world that has us on the run. A billion of our kind will have to move to higher ground when sea levels raise one meter, according to some radical scientist I heard on the radio. Melting ice, y'know. The nine hottest years on record were in the past 11, or something like that.

"Or even better, when we inevitably spread to other planets? Will that make your little tree-hugger heart break too?"

I'm not worried about us spreading to other planets. We can fantasize about building a space ship out of the limb we're standing there sawing off, but circumstances will prevent it from becoming a reality.

"You know, the dumbest thing about your little movement, is that you will die in one generation."

I know it seems like people who advocate not breeding will just die out, but a VHEMT awareness isn't something we inherit. All of us were born from those who bred, and yet we've decided to not breed more than we already have. Millions of people are accessing the internet where VHEMT web site is viewable. Tens of thousands are reading the message, and who knows how many thousands are realizing that the best thing for Earth, and for ourselves, is a voluntary phase out of our species.

The Movement may seem small at first glance, but there are two different bumper stickers for sale, and in a while we might have some T-shirts too. A quarter of a million potential VHEMT Volunteers are born every day, so you could say The Movement is getting bigger by leaps and bounds.

"The rest of the human race will laugh, and then forget you."

I'd love to give the world a laugh, and teach it birth control. And if they forget me, that's okay: The Movement will live on until we die out.

"Sorry."

Hey, don't apologize. We're only human.

"My advice is this. Since you can have no net impact on human society, you should sell everything you own and go live in the rainforest for as long as it is still standing. Then you can be 'one with nature'."

Yeah, that's tempting. The "fight or flight" reaction to danger sometimes makes us head for the hills instead of trying to make things better where we are. The biggest problem with moving to the rainforest is that humans can't be one with nature any more. Not us domesticated versions, anyway. What I would probably do is keep the species I need and kill the rest in as big a radius as I could achieve, just as our kind has done for ten or twelve thousand years at least.

I'm afraid you might be right about that "no net impact on human society" idea. We would have to be gaining a quarter million new Volunteers each day just to keep even with population growth.

"And we can forget about you."

You can try. Denial has its costs, though. Deep down we know we can't kill off 99 percent of life and still survive. Our collective arrogance has to be constantly reinforced to hide the truth from ourselves.

Another possibility is for us to accept the situation for what it is, and to use our compassion and reason to do what should be done, or to stop doing what should not be done, as the case may be. May we live long and die out.

"Your Friend,

A. Human"

Your sibling, out on a limb with you,

Another Human

Les

From Rob,

Thank you for writing. You might be amazed how many people visit the VHEMT web site and don't even bother to say "Hi."

"You are an idiot."

I'm only human, but enough about me. Your generous offer intrigues me.

"You know, I agree with the extinction of people like yourself and your represented group. And I would be willing to give money to aid you in your cessation of breeding. I think it would be a great service to our world and way of life to have people like you dwindle away and phase out. If I can help you with this, please let me know."

Why, yes, many of us could use some help in phasing ourselves out. A vasectomy costs at least $250 and many of us have no insurance. Some of us have insurance through an HMO, but often it's owned by the Catholic Church, and they won't help us prevent abortions due to some strange encyclical that can only be understood in Latin, or something.

If you would like to send your contribution directly to the Planned Parenthood clinic which will be performing the procedure(s) -- thus removing our genes from the pool forever -- just let me know and I'll send the address. If you would like to choose who receives your assistance, I'll send a list of code names and a brief statement from each explaining why they want to get fixed.

Thank you for your heartfelt humanitarian efforts. We need more people willing to put their money where their mouths are.

For a better world,

Les

[Alas, no response to the above. What a disappointment. Les.]

From Anonymous,

"maybe I want my child to enjoy all of the things I DID get to accomplish absurd and non-constructive as they may appear on the surface... "

I know what you mean. I wish all children could have it as good as we had. There are thousands of existing children who would love to have you as a parent. Well, not all of them, of course. There are over a thousand children in need of good homes right here in Oregon.

".... laughing at mis-guided little same sex wankers like yourselves,"

Happy to provide some amusement. Does masturbation count as same sex wanking?

"... desparateley trying to rationalize their reason for being,"

I gave up on that a long time ago: there's no rational reason for Homo sapiens to exist on Earth.

"... when in fact, its more of a matter of you realizing and accepting that YOU are the abberent fucking minority...."

Hey, I've never fucked an aberrant in my life... Well, maybe once when I was drunk. Seriously though, you're right about VHEMT Volunteers being in the minority. Most people continue to produce more children even though 40,000 die from preventable causes each day. I wonder what they are thinking.

"... but hey, cubby, have fun with it and all..."

No, Cubby is the cute one. A lot of people make that mistake. Yes, I do have fun with it all.

"... but to rationalize it as you have..."

Just trying to make sense out of senseless breeding. Thanks for giving me an alternative reason: that you want children to enjoy all of the things you DID get to accomplish.

"-well, it only goes to show what happens to your outlook of life when all you have to look forward to is more of the same (morose doom mongering "life is sooo horrible" boo hoo nancy boy 'nobody understands deep me) BLAHBLAHBLAH..."

Yes, a doom and gloom outlook is no fun. I much prefer to think about all the good things that will be possible when the human population ceases to grow by a quarter million a day and begins to slowly become less dense: more room for all, more opportunity, more of everything. What a wonderful world it could be.

"get a life..."

You're not the first to assume I don't have one. I've considered advertising for one. Any suggestions about where I should look? Any web sites offering lives?

"...you embarassment"

I'm sorry if I embarrassed you with my web site. I try to be tactful and respect others' points of view, but sometimes we can't avoid stepping on a few toes when we go dancing.

From Gary,

Re: Wacko Web Page Of The Month!

"You are the laughingstock of the web!"

Aw shucks, you're just saying that.

"Greenism fading to black!"

You noticed that too. Defoliation, desertification, scraping and paving -- the green is fading to black. Why do you suppose that is? Could the 220,000 per day increase in our population have anything to do with it?

"Are you sure you are not a VRWC satire of the left?"

Gee, I don't know, maybe so. Does VRWC stand for Very Right Wing Conservative? I can't say what VHEMT is not without knowing what that means.

At any rate, although there may be some satire in what I've posted at the website, the purpose of The Movement as a whole is not to satirize the left -- whatever the Left is these days. VHEMT aspires to help others achieve a greater awareness of humanity's place in Earth's biosphere.

"(And by the way, if humans shouldn't breed, then why should ants? Or elephants? Luvit!)"

Well, let's see. Ants in Africa do build high-rise apartment buildings, same as we do. I think the difference is that they fit into their ecosystem and don't cause the extinctions of other species. Also, those tall ant hills are far more efficient than ours. They have solar heating and cooling without wires running to a polluting power plant.

Elephant populations have exceeded their artificially-constrained habitat, and some restriction on their breeding has been suggested. Slaughtering entire herds with bullets has been the practice, but you know how animal rights activists get upset by that sort of thing.

Seems like humans often use similar methods of retroactive birth control. Rwanda is one of the more resent examples. I think you and I might agree that there are better ways of thinning the herd than mass murder.

From Fender,

"You shouldn't waste space on the internet with crap like that."

As I understand it, there's tons of space on the internet. The VHEMT site is pretty small, with no fancy graphics. Did you notice how fast it downloaded?

"Human Extinction is just stupid,..."

So it might seem at first glance. However, I think if you look at it objectively you'll find that it makes sense. We are causing tens of thousands of species to go extinct each year, and if anything is stupid, that is. Seems to me it's only fair that we voluntarily phase ourselves out to avoid causing the extinction of millions of non-human life forms.

"... anyone who follows you is stupid,..."

I agree. Following others is stupid. The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement has no followers -- we are all leaders, leading humanity toward a hopeful future for all life on Earth.

"... and you are stupid."

Hey, I'm only human, human.

"I have one request. Send me a blueprint of your brain because I am building an idiot and you seem like the perfect prototype."

I recommend that you rethink your frankensteinian project due to the lack of demand. It seems the market is already flooded and reproduction hasn't slacked off yet.

"Here's a suggestion, if you really want to see the human race extinct I think you should start off by killing yourself. I'm sure no one will miss you."

I'll be dead soon enough, don't rush me. And when I'm gone it won't matter to Earth's biosphere if other humans miss me or not. When Homo sapiens becomes extinct, I'm sure none of the remaining animals will miss us.

"Anyway, I'm gonna stop writing now. My Mom says I shouldn't pick on retards and you seem to be one of them so I'm just gonna say goodbye Nimrod...."

You might have me confused with someone else: my name is Les, not Nimrod. I think I'd change my name if it were Nimrod. Isn't that the bracket that holds a fender on a car?

Anyway, your mom gives good advice -- I agree that we shouldn't make fun of those we feel superior to. They need our understanding, not our ridicule.

"... and I hope you die soon and make the world a better place."

But, if I die tomorrow, someone else would host the VHEMT web site. The Movement has a life of its own. I'm just one of the current promoters of the concept. Millions of good people around the planet have independently arrived at the awareness that Earth will be better off without us.

"Save The Planet--Kill Yourself Jerk Off."

I will consider your advice, but it seems to me you have things a little turned around. Like, how can I "jerk off" after I'm dead?

I agree with you that masturbation, and other non-procreative sexual activity, will go a long way toward saving the planet. Auto-erotic stimulation has many benefits to society and to the person engaging in it: relief of sexual frustration has been known to reduce anti-social behavior such as insulting fellow members of the human family.

For a better world,
Les U. Knight